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(May 11, 1992) Interview:Willie L. Williams
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TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1992
May 11, 1992 L.A.:"Can We All Get Along?"
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<article>
<source>Time Magazine</source>
<hdr>
COVER STORIES, Page 37
LOS ANGELES RIOTS
"We Have to Start Talking to Each Other"
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<body>
<p>Willie L. Williams prepares to assume the mantle as L.A.'s top
cop
</p>
<p>By Daniel S. Levy and Willie L. Williams
</p>
<p> Q. What is the impact of crime on the black community?
</p>
<p> A. The impact is devastating. The black community has a
larger proportion of crime within major metropolitan areas than
any other community. The majority of that crime is black
offender, black victim.
</p>
<p> The African-American community wants strong, tough,
honest, fair policing. There is no African-American community
in America that does not want to see police there. The people
want to be treated fairly. They want to be treated honestly and
with dignity. I think that even in the city of Los Angeles, with
all its strife, the people say, "Hey, wait a minute. These
people are robbing and stealing and looting. They are not our
community; they are not our friends. They are gang members, or
they are hoodlums, and they are bums, and they belong in jail."
</p>
<p> Crime also has a long-term effect on the community because
it drives out the mom-and-pop businesses, the corner stores,
where a lot of shopping is done. It drives out the source of
income for the teenagers and the young adults who don't have a
lot of skills or are just going to school to learn skills. It
often drives out the source of income for the one or two parents
who may be living and working at home and working in the area.
The cost of crime in the African-American community cannot be
underestimated.
</p>
<p> Q. You have been Philadelphia's police commissioner for
the past four years and plan to replace Daryl Gates in Los
Angeles in July. What would you have done differently to prepare
for the riots in L.A.?
</p>
<p> A. Clearly, I cannot discuss the preparations for Los
Angeles. I was not involved, and I had not had any communication
out there.
</p>
<p> But very important in terms of planning are your contacts
with community people. These people are your best front line of
communication. I don't care whether it is the poorest, the most
crime-ridden and downtrodden neighborhood or the most successful
neighborhood. The contacts can be church leaders, they can be
businesspeople or a neighbor who is out there every day washing
off the steps and sidewalk. Part of a commander's job is to be
able to pick up the phone at 3 o'clock in the morning and say,
"Bob, Mary, I need you out here," and know that they will come.
Or if these community leaders need the police commander, they
can call him and say, "Chief, we need you here." That is a
relationship that gets built up over time. You can't wait until
the fires are burning to decide, "I got to do this."
</p>
<p> Q. It seems that a siege mentality exists between the
police and some communities.
</p>
<p> A. When you are dealing with a riot, a police officer's
role really gets reduced to command, control and contain. Over
the course of a career, a police officer gets involved in
command and control maybe 10% of the time. The rest of the time
you are responding to calls for service, whether you are
dealing with disturbances, abandoned vehicles, sanitation
violations or traffic control.
</p>
<p> A lot of young men and women come into police work
thinking that what they see on Miami Vice is what they are going
to be doing. When it is not, a level of frustration sets in, a
level of boredom, a level of miscommunication.
</p>
<p> Q. I understand that you used the Rodney King video as a
teaching tool. How did you use it, and what were you hoping to
accomplish?
</p>
<p> A. We started using it the second week after it occurred.
We used it to point out how an incident, a traffic violation,
led to the events that we saw on television. The man had been
stopped. We would have given him a ticket for speeding or
reckless driving. We ask, "What are the officers doing that they
shouldn't be doing? Are there other alternatives?"
</p>
<p> Q. Do you have any plans for L.A.?
</p>
<p> A. Well, I want to examine training. The officers have
said they need training in many areas. The Christopher
Commission [named for a panel that called for the creation of
a new police commission with increased authority to control a
discipline-lax organization with racist tendencies] clearly
indicates that there needs to be a real examination of internal
affairs and the process of making complaints against police.
</p>
<p> We need to examine the relationship between the department
and the community. We have to start talking to each other, not
talking at each other.
</p>
<p> Q. You have to rebuild the bridges.
</p>
<p> A. I don't know if there are any bridges left standing. It
is going to be a very, very slow process. We also have got to
examine the resources available to the department. The city is
facing a $150 million deficit. There was an initial budget
request that would have reduced the department by 700 people by
this time next year. I certainly hope that doesn't occur. If
the demands for service and the demands for change go up--and
they are clearly going to go up--and your resources to
deliver those services go down, there is going to be further
distrust and disbelief in the community.
</p>
<p> Q. Are you nervous?
</p>
<p> A. No, not nervous. But I understand that there is going
to be a very short break-in period. There will probably be
higher expectations than I will be able to deliver in all
quarters at all times. But I am still looking forward to the
job. In one sense, there will be a greater level of initial
support for me.
</p>
<p> I just hope the disturbances of this past week subside
very quickly. I hope the community realizes what has occurred,
and we have learned a lesson from that, and we never have to
look back and mention Watts, and then mention Rodney King and
the riots after Rodney King, and worry about what will spark
the next one.
</p>
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